Joe De Livera

I discovered the article below dating back to 2008 on the Homeopathy and More Forum of which I was a founder member and felt that I should copy it on my own Website to enable visitors to read it.

http://www.homeopathyandmore.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2588

Joepathy – My Reaction
By: msrao
October 29 2008
Dear Sir,
This is the first time I am coming across the term ‘Joepathy’.Perhaps this is due to my inadequate exposure to the outside world or may be indifference.In fact as soon as I came to know the existence of such a web (through you) I logged into it with some excitement. While doing so I trespassed in to neighboring websites as well!To say the least I was shocked to see the vituperative language used by your detractors. While I am not competent to go into the merits of the dispute I cannot help myself from expressing my opinion on this vexed issue. My knowledge of homeopathy is rudimentary which I picked up from my frequent visits to homeopathic stores and desultory reading of some elementary books on the subject. But as a layman I think I am entitled to express my views on the subject.

As I understand the whole problem revolves around specific medicine for a particular ailment as against the totality of symptoms advocated by the classical homeopaths. When I visit any homeopathic stores, I find that some of the internationally renowned firms dishing out medicines for specific ailments containing combination of a number of homeopathic medicines, whereas the method followed by you , is at least, a single remedy at a time (as I understand). Is it not more ‘criminal’ than the method followed by you?

Your plea is that you have found a particular medicine(drug)cures more diseases than mentioned in the conventional materia medica (by dint of your experience)and as such to be included in the materia medica, of course after proper investigation.

If a drug or medicine happens to be panacea for a host of ailments, then, what is wrong in prescribing that medicine and sharing the knowledge with others?

I have seen a number of homeopaths (classical or otherwise) prescribing one medicine for the morning and another for evening. Does it not go against the grain of pure homeopathic principles? Slowly and irrevocably we are slipping into combination theory, in a novel way, whether we admit it or not.

Your suggestion that the provings should be carried forward and not content ourselves with already known is noteworthy. This calls for an open mind on the part of medical fraternity.

I would request you to ignore the diatribe and continue to serve the humanity. At one stage you expressed your anguish that you were spending more time in defending yourself than attending to the needs of patients. It is a pity!

I think I have understood the case and my remarks make sense.

Long live Joe the maverick!

With regards,
M.S.Rao

Re: Joepathy – My Reaction
By: Joe De Livera
Sri Lanka
October 29 2008
I was delighted to read your post which made me realize that many people who have read my posts on the Homeopathic Forums I used to visit daily in the past, have finally realized that the therapy I have tried to promote for the last 5 years on various Homeopathic forums is based on the “this for that” therapy aka “Joepathy”. I did so as I discovered that it was far more effective than the stereotype classical method that some classically trained homeopaths use. Please note that this term Joepathy owes its origin to the same classical homeopathic fraternity and I often feel that in coining this term which they originally used in a derisive sense, they unwittingly honoured me as this term Jeopathy is now internationally accepted to describe the direct allopathic form of therapy that I use. Google picked it up some time ago and lists some of my more interesting cases numbering over 120.

I have persisted in using Joepathy to help my patients as I have invariably found that the elusive single remedy that the learned classical homeopath finally prescribes, according to the rules, for the totality of the symptoms that a patient presents from the top of his head does not usually work. As a result the patient is sent home in greater distress than when he consulted the homeopath who charges a handsome fee for each consultation. In my case as I presume that you are aware, I do not levy any charge for my services as I am not a professional qualified homeopath. To me Homeopathy is only a hobby which I practice in my free time as it gives me a deep sense of satisfaction to heal anyone who consults me which many do after they have visited doctors, ayurvedic physicians and classical homeopaths. They consult me as a last resort and are agreeably surprised to discover that their ailment from which they had suffered sometimes for years is history, often overnight.

It is the criticism of my therapy that irked me resulting in my spending more time in defending Joepathy. I have always maintained that it is the patient who comes first and not the method used, classical or Joepathy that matters. I cannot understand the reason why I have been subjected to this constant criticism as the proof of the pudding is there in all the forums for anyone to read and the number of grateful patients who have testified to have been cured is too numerous to be counted.

I would like you to please visit the link below and read the discussion that ensued some years ago on another forum where I have spelt out in detail the reason for my preferring my own Joepathy over the classical method and I shall be interested to have your response to this post. I believe that comments from those who are interested in using the Joepathy form of therapy can help to advance the progress of Homeopathy.

http://www.otherhealth.com/homeopathy-discussion/6576-all-homeopaths-who-have-criticized-me.html

Re:Joepathy – My Reaction
By: msrao
October 31 2008
Dear Sir,
I have gone through the website suggested by you and other related websites.What I gather is ….the members have taken umbrage at your using the forum for propagating your brand of “pathy”.It is understandable.But it is sad to see that the discussion has degenerated into downright abuse.
The learned members are of the view that it is unethical and sometimes dangerous to prescribe medicines solely on the basis of a few physical symptoms without taking into account the totality of symptoms.This is perfectly in line with the basic principles of homeopathy.But this is an ideal situation.However the present day life demands a little flexibility.
What baffles me is that even veterans like Nash say that a peculiar physical symptom clinches the selection of the remedy irrespective of the nature of the disease.I am also of the opinion that taking the case in an elaborate manner is a luxury which we can ill afford,when a simpler but effective method can be adopted.That is what exactly Mr.Joe is trying to do.I am not suggesting that homeopathic principles as propounded by the founder should be thrown to winds.We should strive to follow it where ever possible ,but mulishly adhering to it in the face of fast changing lifestyle is not going to advance the cause of homeopathy nor will help the public.The array of homeopathic medicines and the radical literature available in the market is a witness to the silent revolution that is taking place.I have seen many a successful practitioners adopting a slightly different approach.Painting Mr.Joe as some one with sinister motives is most uncalled for.
Let me recant my recent experience.Two months ago I traveled from Detroit to LasVegas (4hrsflight).A few hours after landing I got excruciating pain in the lower legs.I attributed it to arthritis the most common ailment of advancing years .As I was almost “crippled”I took a pain killer to tide over the crisis.But I felt that the root cause lay elsewhere.I felt that this was something to do with poor circulation of blood in the lower legs.(as I had read and seen on TV).I had also read that Ferrum Phos and Arnica would be useful in such cases.I took these and in a few days I was relieved of the pain and it has not returned since.I did not take any mental symptoms in to account.Quackery at its best!I crave the indulgence of the members.I do not pretend to educate the members nor is my intention that others should follow suit.I understand that this occurs when the heart becomes “inefficient”and these medicines tone up the muscles.
The ultimate aim of any system is to give relief if not complete cure.If any medicine is helpful in this pursuit it is most welcome,call it by any name.
I abhor to call ‘joepathy’ as a separate system.The same homeopathic medicines are used except that emphasis is on physical symptoms.What about tissue salts …..the whole philosophy being that deficiency of any one of the twelve salts identified by the founder causes disease,without undue emphasis on mental symptoms.The homeopaths have taken this system under their umbrella!
Let not ‘Joe’ issue be blown out of proportion and my humble request is that his experience should be utilised for the benefit of mankind.
I stand corrected,if I am wrong.
With regards,
MS.Rao.

Re:Joepathy – My Reaction
By: msrao
October 31 2008
Dear Sir,
Small correction: The word recant may be read as recount.
Regards,
M.S.Rao

Re: Joepathy – My Reaction
By: Joe De Livera
Sri Lanka
December 25 2009
I stumbled on this Thread when I was doing a search for previous post I had made and thought that members may like to read it.

Re: Joepathy – My Reaction
By: Joe De Livera
Sri Lanka
March 4 2010
Bumped up again as it may be of interest to members.

Re:Joepathy – My Reaction
By: garcot
Bangalore
March 4 2010
msrao said:

“Quackery at its best!I crave the indulgence of the members”

Thanks for your well written article sharing your experiences.

We Love Mr.Joe in this forum and we have great respect for his contributions to humanity. And in this forum, we go much beyond just “homeopathy”. The term homeopathy might have emerged 200 years ago, but the principle ” Like cures like ” is very very ancient. Infact, many vedic literatures talk in detail about the efficacy of this principle.

We make our own remedies ( from allopathic drugs, ayurvedic, edible nuts, siddha medicines etc) which follow this principle, but the method of preparation, may not follow what is told in Organon 5 , 6 or earlier. But all these self made remedies have worked wonders on many, because there is no violation of the basic principle what nature has laid down for the benefits of humanity. Infact, Arnica for example, has about 4000 listed symptoms in materia medica. And there are another 1000 symptoms that we can add. And this is precisely what Mr.Joe has proved.

Niether the provers are gods, nor the people who recorded the provings are!
Let us accept our knowledge is self-limiting….

Best
Garcot

“wisdom in your body is deeper than your deepest philosophy”(Nietszche)

Pediatrician prescribed CEREAL for an 8 week old infant.

dtorres80 says:
July 18, 2015 at 1:20 AM (Edit)
Hello,

I have an 8 weeks old daughter who suffers from silent reflux. I feed her about 3 ounces of formula with added cereal as per suggested by her pediatrician about every 3-4 hours. She cries after ever ounce when I stop to burp her and continues to cry after the feeding. My biggest issue is that she does not sleep no matter how tired because she is constantly jerking her arms and legs and sucking on her hands.

Initially the doctors prescribed Zantac which seemed to work initially but eventually stopped. I came across Nat Phos 6x and decided to give it a try. She’s also been taking probiotics for almost a month.

When I first started the Nat Phos 6x regimen I started with a half tablet after every feed. I noticed no difference so I upped it to 1 tablet. I noticed no difference in behavior after 3 days so I stopped and went back to the Zantac. Of course, this also didn’t help and after a week I tried Nat Phos 6x again.

On Sunday I started with a full tablet after every feed. On Monday she seemed improved. On Tuesday her symptoms reappeared full force. I read in other places that days 2 and 3 are the worst. I continued through Wednesday and on Thursday she seemed improved again until Thursday night when she would not sleep. Today, Friday which is the 5th day she is still worse. Arches her back, more frequent hiccups and less sleep. I caved and gave her a dose of Zantac and she is currently asleep on my shoulder as I type this.

I do not want to go back to prescribed medication but I do not know what else to do. My exact Nat Phos 6x dosage was to dissolve 1 tablet in 1ml of water administered via syringe after every feed.

Please advise as to what, if anything, I can do.

Thank you.

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• Joe says:
July 18, 2015 at 7:00 AM (Edit)
To give an infant of just 8 weeks solids is CRIMINAL.

” I feed her about 3 ounces of formula with added cereal as per suggested by her pediatrician about every 3-4 hours.”

To state that I am SHOCKED is an understatement.

STOP THE CEREAL and all will be well.

Your pediatrician must be exposed for the FRAUD he is and I presume that he has qualified in medicine. You must complain to the Medical board in your city for this FOOL prescribing cereal for an infant only 8 weeks old.

He obviously is not aware that a baby’s digestion is NOT DESIGNED to process cereal, or any solid till baby is over 8 months of age.

You must consider yourself as very fortunate that you located my Website and I note from your email IP that you live in Washington where your Medical Board is very strict and will even cancel his license to practice.

I note that you have followed my therapy but I shall copy my default therapy below for Baby GERD:

I shall copy my default therapy for Baby GERD which I have prescribed for hundreds of babies and which I hope will help your baby too.

The remedy is Nat Phos 6x which is a Biochemic Cell Salt and is NOT a drug. It is absolutely safe in use and you may like to look it up on Google.

You will give baby half a tablet dissolved in milk a few minutes before every feed and the balance half immediately after a feed but you will not exceed a total of 6 tablets (12 halves) in 24 hours.

You may like to try to reduce the quantity of milk you give for each feed to enable baby’s digestion to stabilize. You will however feed more often. It is essential that you burp baby immediately after every feed.

You will avoid eating all food that can cause any distress to baby. You must know that they are passed on to baby through your breast milk.

It is best not to vaccinate Baby till s/he is over 2 years old as the after effects in some cases can add to the problems with GERD.
Do not give the MMR Vaccine in One shot as there is plenty of evidence on the Web of severe side effects which can result. You are advised to give it in 3 separate shots if you must do so, after baby is 2 years old.

Do not give Baby any solid food till s/he is over 8 months of age.

You (the mother) will take Nat Phos 6x dose 2 tablets after each of 3 meals daily. The idea is that your milk will pass the effect to baby. You may like to know that Nat Phos 6x will help to reduce your weight by 1kg per week very safely.

Report progress in 24 hours and as often as you wish on this thread.

If you discover that baby does not respond to the Nat Phos 6x alone and this has occurred in a few cases, you will contact me again and I shall then prescribe another remedy to reinforce the action of Nat Phos 6x.

You will stop all other drugs you may be giving baby if you start on my therapy.

Jessica says:
May 13, 2015 at 8:48 PM (Edit)
Hello Sir,

I have been reading through the many comments here and have been very intrigued with the results! My baby hasn’t been diagnosed with reflux by a doctor but I am certain she has it because of the symptoms. She is 8 weeks old and the symptoms include difficulty feeding with arching back and neck, needs to be burped constantly and wet burps continue after nursing until the next feeding which is usually 3hrs, fussy after feeding and like pressure on her tummy, sounds congested after she eats and sometimes wheezing or raspiness when she breathes and she wakes constantly in sleep.

I started her on probiotics and myself as well and that seemed to help get her bowel movements under control and back to a normal color and consistency. It wasn’t anything alarming just wasn’t the normal color and consistency.

Anyways, I was going to start her and myself on the NP 6x and see if it changed anything. Everyone keeps telling me she will grow out of it or it’s something I am eating. I changed my diet and am eating simple foods and she still has symptoms so I’d like to exhaust all natural options!

I have read your Therapy for baby GERD and will start with half a tablet. My question is do I give it before or after the feeding? I just ordered the NP 6x and am excited to give it a try unless you would suggest otherwise?

Also I have a yeast infection and am taking an anti-fungal I don’t think the baby has thrush because no signs of it in her mouth but is NP 6x ok to take with my prescription of flucanazole the dosage is 200mg once a day for the next two to three weeks or would you suggest something else if I can’t do both at the same time?

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• Joe says:
May 13, 2015 at 10:26 PM (Edit)
Glad to note that you have already read my therapy for Baby GERD and that you are already using it. You have however not indicated baby’s response.

You will give half tablet of Nat Phos 6x before and the balance after every feed.

You must understand that the antibiotic you are taking will be passed over to baby but since you have already been doing so for some time, there does not seem to be any possibility of stopping it.

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• Jessica says:
May 14, 2015 at 1:12 AM (Edit)
I haven’t started the therapy for Baby GERD, I am excited to, but I don’t have the NP 6x yet. I just wanted to check in first and get those few questions answered while I am waiting on the shipment of the NP 6x.

What do you mean give the balance after? Is that the other half? So they would get a full tablet each feeding? Also I know it is passed through the breastmilk, would it be best to switch to formula for another week and then switch back after I’m done taking it?

I am more than happy to report back once I start which should be early next week. Thank you so much for your help!

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• Joe says:
May 14, 2015 at 6:52 AM (Edit)
Please follow my therapy precisely as prescribed.

Half tablet before and the balance after.

You must NOT change to formula as your breast milk is precious for baby.

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• Jessica says:
May 18, 2015 at 4:20 AM (Edit)
She slept much better last night and it’s been 24hrs and we have done a half tablet before and after each feeding with the Nat Phos 6x. I am taking it as well.

She appears to be having symptoms still but overall most feedings have gone much better! She still gets fussy after a feed and has wet burps and spits up a little for a little while after. She is much easier to soothe and is talking much more instead of grunting in pain. So thank you! I am wondering if we should try anything else or let it play out for a few more days?

• Joe says:
May 18, 2015 at 6:31 AM (Edit)
Glad to note that you have given baby the Nat Phos 6x and that all is well.

You stated:
” She is much easier to soothe and is talking much more instead of grunting in pain”

It is best not to overfeed baby as this can result in promoting reflux. You can however feed more often for the first few weeks to ensure that your breast milk is not wasted.

It is best to continue with your current protocol to feed your baby.

Please remember my instructions on Vaccination as this can be counter productive if they are given when baby is least at risk to the many diseases these vaccinations are supposed to treat.

I shall copy my default therapy for Baby GERD I have prescribed for hundreds of babies which I hope will help your baby too. The remedy is Nat Phos 6x which is a Biochemic Cell Salt and is NOT a drug. It is absolutely safe in use and you may like to look it up on Google.

Nat Phos 6x tablet dissolved in milk is given immediately after a feed. Start with half tablet before a feed and the balance given immediately after, dissolved in milk, but you will not exceed 6 tablets in 24 hours.

You may like to try to reduce the quantity of milk you give for each feed to enable baby’s digestion to stabilize. You will however feed more often. It is essential that you burp baby immediately after each feed.

You will avoid eating all food that can cause any distress to baby.You must know that they are passed on to baby through your breast milk.

It is best not to vaccinate Baby till s/he is over a year old as the after effects in some cases can add to the problems with GERD.
Do not give Baby any solid food till s/he is over 8 months of age.

You (the mother) will take Nat Phos 6x dose 2 tablets after each of 3 meals daily. The idea is that your milk will pass the effect to baby. You may like to know that Nat Phos 6x will help to reduce your weight by 1kg per week very safely.
Report progress in 24 hours and as often as you wish on this thread.

If you discover that baby does not respond to the Nat Phos 6x alone and this has occurred in a few cases, you will contact me again and I shall then prescribe another remedy to reinforce the action of Nat Phos 6x.

You will stop all other drugs you may be giving baby if you start on my therapy.

hajarr says:
May 15, 2015 at 6:57 PM (Edit)
Dear Sir,

I have started my 5 week old on the Nat Phos x6 today at 0.5 tablet dissolved in water after each feed. He had been on Losec suspension since 2.5 weeks of age but I have stopped that today since starting the Nat Phos.
We have immediately noticed a significant improvement in his reflux symptoms. His vomiting has been largely reduced, as well as the audible swallowing as the reflux rises, arching of the back after feeds and high pitched crying.
However he has been more fussy at the breast this afternoon, pulling, squirming and arching his back. He has also been having difficulty staying asleep. He will fall asleep for only a few minutes before waking again.

Can you please offer any advice regarding his behaviour today?

Also, how would you advise I proceed regarding the treatment? How long should I keep giving the Nat Phos?

Many thanks

Hajarr.

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• Joe says:
May 15, 2015 at 7:49 PM (Edit)
I do not have any record of having prescribed for your Baby and presume that you have read about my Nat Phos 6x therapy on my Website and proceeded to give it to him.

I am glad to note that your baby responded almost immediately to my therapy aka “Joepathy” and I also note that you have only given him half tablet and this was sufficient to help him.

Nat Phos 6x is a Biochemic Cell Salt (Google) and is absolutely safe in use for both babies and adults. It can be used for as long as it helps and I would suggest that you give the balance half immediately after the feed for best results which may even help him to sleep longer.

I am copying below a report from a patient on how my therapy helped his mother in lay in 14 days.

bharat says:
May 14, 2015 at 9:26 PM (Edit)
Dear Sir,

I have started the treatment of asthma of my mother-in-law on 1st May and since then 14 days have been passed. I could not believe that this therapy can help her so fast but it did. Really you have a God gifted magic for us common people.

She is doing good and have not used inhaler in these days. Although she needed to ars. alb. 2-3 times in the period because of the shortness of breath.

Also no whistling sound is present while she is breathing. it is also a good sign.

As i told you earlier, Her other problem is dry cough and running nose. I gave her bry 30c for her dry cough and it is improving. Cough is occurring less than before.

but her running nose is not improving. She is getting running nose about once a week which lasts for 3-4 days. Also her any one nostril is blocked all the time and she cant breathe from it. This problem is for many years with her.

Previously she was taking Ayurvedic medicines for this but after starting your therapy, she stopped all other medicines.

So if you can help with this also, I will be very grateful.
Also please advice further course of action for her! Thanks a lot! May God bless you.

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• Joe says:
May 15, 2015 at 10:29 AM (Edit)
I must admit that I too am often surprised on how very quickly patients who have suffered from various medical problems respond to my therapy aka “Joepathy”

I believe that you are aware of how chronic Asthma is and the general understanding is that Asthma can only be treated but never CURED. Your report of your mother’s Asthma responding to my therapy in just 14 days is impressive and is very satisfying to me as the physician who helped her. I believe that it is this satisfaction that I get from doing so that keeps me healthy and free of all medical problems at my advanced age of 86 years. I believe that God keeps me in my present condition to enable me to help suffering humanity in the manner that I am doing today.

I do not think however that your mother is cured of her Asthma right now. She will have to take the remedy for a few more months twice daily and if you continue to report her progress, I will be able to instruct you on how to proceed in a month.

It is important that she avoids colds and coughs and she will take Ferr Phos 6x dose 3 tablets thrice daily to build up her resistance to these 2 common problems. This will also help her Coryza which you reported.

Osmium 6c in the Wet dose will help her Coryza taken twice daily. You must observe if this remedy triggers her Asthma and if so she will stop it. It may also open up her blocked nose. Report progress.

Also confirm that you are following my instructions on the Physiotherapy to her lungs after steam inhalation.

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I am copying a case where the patient used my default therapy for Fistula, Fissure and Abscess which he read on my Website without reference to me and discovered that his problem was helped and almost cured in a week.

Sethuraman says:
May 5, 2015 at 9:45 AM (Edit)
Respected Dr.Joe

My Pranaams to you. I have been reading the articles posted by you for a quite few months. I had Perianal abcess two and a half years back and undergone surgical procedure twice. No improvement and problems got aggrevated everyday. After using the remedies for a week (that you have mentioned in your article for Anal Fistula),I really find great relief. Now I do not have pus discharge, pain, irritation, burning sensation, etc., You are THE GOD for FISTULA RELIEF ONCE FOR ALL. THANKS FOR THE SERVICE YOU DO WITHOUT ANYTHING IN RETURN FOR YOU. SO MANY THOUSANDS OF HEART LIKE MINE WILL BLESS YOU FOR THIS FOR EVER.

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Joe says:
May 6, 2015 at 9:52 AM (Edit)
Thank you for confirming that the therapy I have pioneered aka “Joepathy” for Fistula after some years of fine tuning on patients for the last 10 years, has helped you in a manner which you felt was superior to the 2 episodes of surgical experimentation you described, did not:
You stated:
“I had Perianal abcess two and a half years back and undergone surgical procedure twice. No improvement and problems got aggrevated everyday. ”

Every Rectal surgeon knows fully well that surgery for Fistula is a money spinner as the patient will return annually for further surgery, where every episode is another excuse to help the patient on a temporary basis due to the lesion created by the surgery being left to suppurate with every bowel motion when the bacteria in the stool continues to infect it further with the symptoms you described:
“After using the remedies for a week (that you have mentioned in your article for Anal Fistula),I really find great relief. Now I do not have pus discharge, pain, irritation, burning sensation, etc.”.

I am glad that you used my therapy which I have copied on my Website even without reference to me and that you chose to report the successful outcome in a few days after suffering agony for perhaps some years in the past.

It is my hope that other patients like you will continue to visit my Website which I established many years ago as I wished to ensure that it will outlast me at my advanced age of 86 years.

You are invited to visit:

ARNICA THE MIRACLE REMEDY

Arnica the MIRACLE REMEDY

PILL POPPING CULTURE

THE PILL POPPING CULTURE

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