I am copying a report on potentizing Elephant’s Milk that I was associated with in 2008 which I discovered on the Homeopathy and More Forum of which I was a Founder Member. I am copying it on my own Website for purposes of record.


By: Joe De Livera
Sri Lanka
May 1 2008
I would like to record the process that we used to Triturate Elephant’s Milk (Lac Loxodonta Ceylanica) under the direction of a Homeopath from Switzerland who visited Sri Lanka a few days ago to obtain a sample of this Milk which was drawn from a lactating Elephant.

One drop of the milk is inserted on 3 gm Lactose (about 1 coffee spoonful) which is heaped on a sterilized porcelain mortar about 15 cm diameter. It is then ground into the lactose by the porcelain pestle which is rotated by hand for 6 minutes around the inside of the mortar which is covered evenly by the lactose. The smell of the drop of Elephant’s Milk was very noticeable at this stage and it pervaded the room throughout the trituration process.
The potency of the first trituration is considered as 1C
The lactose is collected into a heap by scraping the sides of the mortar and another 3 gm is added to the heap. The process is repeated for another 6 minutes and the powder collected into a heap.
The potency of the second trituration is considered as 2 C.
Another 3 gm is added and the process repeated for a further 6 minutes.
The potency of the second trituration is considered as 3 C.
The process is repeated for the 4th time and is considered as 4 C
1 gm is taken from the triturated lactose and inserted into 9 gm distilled water in a sterilized glass bottle with glass lid and is succussed by shaking hard in the hand for about 6 minutes. The remedy is considered to be 5 C.
The water is emptied and another 9 gm water inserted into the bottle and the process is continued. The droplets of water that adhere to the inside surface of the bottle is the starter for the higher potency. Each additional succussion is considered as 1 C higher on the potency scale.

When the required potency is reached the distilled water is replaced by 95% Ethanol which is succussed in the same manner and is used to potentize lactose pellets in the usual manner.

The potentized Elephant’s Milk has not been proved up to now but the Swiss expert is of opinion that it can help to pass on to the user the characteristics of the Elephant. Details of provings will be forwarded to me sometime in the future.

This process of Trituration with Lactose and later with Ethanol can be used to potentize any substance including plants when a tiny piece of a leaf or flower is used. It will be observed that this process will widen the catalogue of remedies that are now available in Homeopathy and it will be possible for those interested in the propagation of this science to potentize various remedies from plants that have been used in Ayurveda for centuries whose curative effects are already recorded.

It is my hope that others will continue this process that I have detailed above and will prove the remedies that they potentize and record their observations on a Forums like ours and share this information with the World Body of Homeopaths.

Joe De Livera
Sri Lanka

By: udaya kumar

May 1 2008
Dear Joe,
Thanks for the information.

One thing I would like to place on record here is what I have heard from my father as a child,around 45 years ago, about the use of elephant in medicines. I was told that my grand uncles were renowned vaidyas and doctors and my father was also good at medicines. I then had overheard what he was mentioning about a medicine. I cannot recollect now distinctly as to whether it was taken from its dung or from its teeth or from its hair on the tail. But, one of the parts of the elephant he mentioned as having extraordinary capacity in growing hair on a bald head.

And then he immediately added that there is one bad effect in it. i.e. the hair may come fast and stay there for some time but when the hair goes off, those places will be effected by Leucoderma, just the same way as the forehead and ears of the elephant are affected by Leucoderma.

That is a preparation in material dose. In the case of homeopathy, the effect should be reverse. And therefore, the effect of homeopathic doses of Lac Loxodonta Indianica should be a cure for Leucoderma! In that case it should be breakthrough as one medicine for all because that is going to be a Sarcode/Nosode.

It is also observed that the prevailence of Leucoderma has been on the rise in the recent years. Arsenic Sulph Flavum being a head reamedy, for Leucoderma (Vitiligo), we can easily conclude that it is a malady of miasmetic origin as both Arsenic and Sulphur together is able to control it. Arsenic and Sulphur BOTH being remedies which work against all the three miasms i.e. anti psoric, anti-syphlitic and anti-sycotic. And their area of function undoubtedly is stomach and skin. The intrinsic relationship in the case of Leucoderma therefore, is between stomach and skin. Also in all cases where I have checked with the person suffering from this malady, the person have been using excessive lemon, lemon water or citric juices and fond of milk and milk products. There is a need to establish these links.

“”””The potentized Elephant’s Milk has not been proved up to now but the Swiss expert is of opinion that it can help to pass on to the user the characteristics of the Elephant. Details of provings will be forwarded to me sometime in the future. ”””

Talking about the characteristics of the elephant, One thing I am sure about elephant is that it does not have any EGO neither about its power, its size or its intelligence. It is very pious animal and devoted to God and therefore in a higher plane of consciousness than human beings. Its milk is certainly required for many many modern men and women.

with regards. udaya

By: garcot
May 2 2008
Off all the living things in this world,

Elephants retain their memory longest.
because they have the biggest ( size)

Elephants never sleep ( that is a sad thing, Elephants need only about four hours rest each night and unless the animal is sick, it will not lie down to sleep.)

Elephants can run very long distances non stop

Elephants are very compassionate.

Elephants (some of them) develop leucoderma ( as Udaya said )

Elephants can recognise their enemy even after 12 years!

Elephants are herbivores and will spend up to 20 hours a day eating anywhere from 150 to 300kg of jungle fodder or 6 to 8% of their body weight in food each day. They have a simple digestive system with an unusual cylindrical shaped stomach that stores the food while it waits to be fermented by bacteria in the caecum. The combined length of the small and large intestines is about 100ft. (35m) and it takes about 24 hours to digest a meal. They only derive nutrition from about 45% of what they eat. They prefer feeding on grasses; however they will also eat large amounts of bark, roots and leaves. Understandably, when elephants come across cultivated crops this food becomes addicting and as a result leads to human elephant confrontations. As far as cultivated foods, they seem to prefer rice, bananas and sugar cane. It is like a child being let loose in a candy store.

Elephants have very small eyes compared to the rest of their sense organs.

Elephants normally move only in small groups. BEHAVIOR:

The basic social structure is made up of a family group consisting of 2 to 10 females and their offspring. It has been found that groups of 3 or less adult females with offspring are more stable than larger groups. Young males start to move out of the family group between the ages of 6 and 7 years old. Young males will associate with each other in transitory groups until they reach adulthood. When they become full-grown males they are solitary and only associate with a group when courting a female in estrus.
Elephants live as long as 70 years and above. ( A newborn calf weighs 200 pounds and stands about three feet tall at the shoulder. One of the first things a calf smells is the dung of the mother that is dropped shortly after the calf born; this associates her scent to her baby. The calf can stand two hours after birth and it will begin to suckle. The young are weaned at about 2 years old. Their rate of growth, the age at which they reach puberty, their life span, and their gerontic (last phase of life) progression is similar to that of man).

Elephant’s pass stools in large lumps.

The gestation period is 22 months and one or sometimes two calves are born.
females reach sexual maturity at about the age of 10. If conditions are difficult sexual maturity may be delayed several years.

Elephants have a pulse rate which is half that of humans. ( infact crocodiles have the lowest with 2 to 3 per minute (like in deep meditation) and they live upto 600 years)

Elephants by nature have rough skin and are generally on the darker side. The skin is about 1 inch (2.5cm) thick, however it is paper-thin on the insides of the ears, around the mouth and the anus. The skin contains no sweat glands and is soft to the touch. Skin care is an important part of an elephants lifestyle. Wallowing plays an integral role in elephant society; it also serves as a way to protect the skin from insect bites, sunburn and moisture loss. A bath is important to both captive and wild elephants. It not only cleans them, but is also relaxing to them.

Hearing: All elephants have acute hearing far superior to humans and their large ears act amplifiers. There is a knuckle found at the back of the ear, which is one of the softest parts of their bodies; mahouts, using their feet will steer or give commands to the animal. Elephants communication is rich in infrasound (ranging below what humans can hear) with sound traveling over many kilometers. These long distance infrasonic calls are used in times of stress, excitement, during separation and to relay sexual information. Elephants have have small eyes and poor eyesight so they can only see clearly up to about 30-40 feet (10m). Their sight tends to improve when they are in shaded areas. and have no canine teeth.

Teeth: Elephants do not have canine teeth but they have four high crowned molars with a complex structure for grinding their food. These teeth do not succeed one another vertically in the usual mammalian fashion, but come in successively from behind, one tooth at a time. Think of them like a conveyor belt moving slowly from back to front. When the foremost tooth is so worn down and is of no further use, it is pushed out, mostly in pieces and replaced at the rear by a new one. An elephant grows only six complete sets of these molars during its lifetime; the final set finishes growing in at about the age of 40. This method of replacing teeth prolongs their dentition until that age. Many elephants do reach the age of 60, but few elephants reach the age of 70 because the teeth will be worn down and decayed to the point of them not being able to eat any more resulting in death by slow starvation. A baby elephant will have two or three cheek teeth in each jaw quadrant. As it gets older, new and successively bigger teeth will form in back of these, slowly pushing them forward.

Hope the above facts help us to use the mental and physical patterns where this milk in potentised form may be required.


“wisdom in your body is deeper than your deepest philosophy”(Nietszche)
By: garcot
May 4 2008
Looks like, the potentised milk of an elephant would help in the following:

It would help in the following:

1. High Pulse rate / BP
2. Insomnia
3. Skin problems
4. It would help in Arthritis
5. Oversensitive to sounds
6. longivity
7. Elimination of Longterm Memory for negative impressions. ( depression?)
8. Lack of hunger

Some kind of proving would help us understand the effectiveness of this potentised milk.

Who will bell the cat?



  1. Kps kiran says:

    Dear Dr Joe
    Your contribution to homeopathy and service to mankind is great.
    Very few people share knowledge.
    Keep your good work go on.
    May divine soul of supreme God bless your good work.

    • Joe says:

      It is a post such as yours that gives me great satisfaction to note that my mission to help suffering humanity with my own therapy aka “Joepathy” based on standard Homeopathic remedies, is appreciated by someone whom I have not treated nor met.

      You have made my day.

      Thank you and may God Bless you too.




      • Nehal says:

        I am 52 years old. I have been facing sexual problem for weak erection & premature ejaculation. My penis doesn’t get hard enough for better sex & ejaculation happens within 3 to 4 minutes. My medical history is as follows :
        1.I have high blood pressure & take medicine ( Vasopril 5 mg) regularly to control it.
        2. I have lower back pain & take medicine when the pain is severe.
        3. Cholesterol in blood is higher than the normal range.
        4. Prostrate is slightly enlarged but no problem for urination.
        Please advise me how I can improve my sexual performance as I have desire for so.

        • Joe says:

          I shall transfer your problem to my colleague Dr Arshad Ali Saeed who will take over your case as he has more clinical experience than me to help you.

          He practices in London and he will contact you on my Website ASAP.


  2. supi-in says:

    Dear Doctor,
    – My mother is 82 years old and suffering from brain haemorrhage and high blood presser between 155/95 – 180/110 since 30 June 2016 . Her right side hand and legs got paralysis and not able to speak clearly and not remember the things .
    – I have read in your forums two weeks back and I have started giving arnica 1M in wet dose.
    – Currently she walks with support and able to speak but not clearly but her blood presser is not in control, It comes suddenly high . We are giving allopathic medicine.
    Please advise.

    Thank you

    • Joe says:

      You stated:
      “My mother is 82 years old and suffering from brain haemorrhage and high blood presser between 155/95 – 180/110 since 30 June 2016 . Her right side hand and legs got paralysis and not able to speak clearly and not remember the things .”

      I note that you have given her Arnica 1M in the Wet dose and that she has improved and is now able to ” speak but not clearly but her blood presser is not in control”.

      You are cleared to continue your medication and you will report progress to me weekly.

      You will continue to give her the drugs prescribed for her Hypertension. (High Blood Pressure).

      Please do not repeat your message 3 times as it unnecessarily occupies a lot of the space available on my Website.

      Where do you live?

  3. supi-in says:

    Dear Doctor,

    Thank you for reply .Sorry i will not repeat message .

    Sure i will update the progress report weekly .

    We are giving her allopathic medicine for Hypertension. (High Blood Pressure) but still not in control .

    Could you please prescribe homeopathy medicine for High Blood Pressure. Which can be given with Arnica 1M .

    I am from INDIA ( NEW DELHI ) .

    Thank you.

  4. nam says:

    Hello Doctor,
    I am 23 years old female and suffering from –
    – Oily scalp and dandruff which leads to hair fall, hair has started greying and have corn on head( due to injury on head during childhood).
    – Blackhead on face and acne on body ( Oily Skin ).
    – I have delayed cycle ( had ultrasound done in 2013 and was normal ).
    – Once my doc ( who passed away recently ) told that I have hormonal disbalance ( as I have hair below chin, on chest and above navel area).

    Please advice. I live in New Delhi- India.

    Thanking you,

    • Joe says:

      I shall transfer your problem to my colleague Dr Arshad Ali Saeed who will take over your case as he has more clinical experience than me to help you.

      He practices in London and he will contact you on my Website ASAP.


  5. supi-in says:

    Dear Doctor,

    I updating my mother status she walks with support and some time with out support and able to speak but not but her blood presser is not in control, It comes suddenly high . We are giving allopathic medicine.

    Arnica 1M in the Wet dose continually and she has improved ,She is having constipation and gastric trouble so i have added NAT PHOS 6x dose 2 tablets two times as I have read in forums ,Now she is not having constipation and gastric.

    Can we give Arnica 1M and NAT PHOS 6x dose 2 tablets , I have kept 30 mints gap between both of them.

    Please advise.

    Thank you.

    • Joe says:

      Glad to learn that my therapy has helped your mum.

      She can continue the Arnica 1M and Nat Phos 6x for as long as it is helping her in any way.

    • Joe says:

      She seems to be improving with my therapy:

      Arnica 1M in the Wet dose taken twice daily
      Nat Phos 6x dose 2 tablets taken after every

      You can continue to give it to her for as long as you see some improvement. It is quite safe in use.

  6. supi-in says:

    Dear Doctor,

    She is continue with Arnica 1M and Nat Phos 6x twise in day.

    she walks with support and some time with out support and she can raise her right hand with support of left hand and her voice is not cleared .

    Can we add some other medician .


  7. Krystal H. says:

    Hello Dr. De Livera,

    I have a 10 week old daughter who is 12lbs. She has silent reflux and was prescribed Zantac 1ml every 12hrs. She was responding to her treatment, however, I am not okay with giving my baby such a strong medication. So I did some research and found your therapy. I ordered the Nat. Phos. 6x and have been giving my daughter one tablet dissolved in 1ml of water (infant water not tap) after every feeding. She responded very well for the first 4 days of treatment. It is now day 7 of her treatment and I am seeing some of her symptoms come back… she is now refusing to eat more than ounce per feeding, and she is hungry and forcing herself to eat as much as she can but then it becomes too painful for her to eat. I have ordered the Nux Vomica 30 tablets (I couldn’t get the liquid dilution) and it’s supposed to arrive today. How should I proceed with treating her and how can I help her pain? Thank you so much for your help and finding an alternative treatment to an awful prescription.


    Krystal H.

    • Krystal H. says:

      Also, I am feeding her formula (Similac Alimentum). I wasn’t able to breastfeed – I didn’t produce any milk.

    • Joe says:

      I note that you have read my therapy for baby GERD and that you have already started her on the Nat Phos 6x.

      In your own and your baby’s interest I hope you will remember that it is best to seek confirmation from the author before you give her the medicine, which you state worked for a few days.

      I shall copy my default therapy for Baby GERD which I hope will help your baby.

      The remedy is Nat Phos 30x which is a Biochemic Cell Salt and is NOT a drug. It is absolutely safe in use and you may like to look it up on Google.

      You will give baby half tablet dissolved in milk a few minutes before every feed and the balance half immediately after a feed but you will not exceed a total of 3 tablets (12 quarters) in 24 hours.

      You may like to try to reduce the quantity of milk you give for each feed to enable baby’s digestion to stabilize. You may however feed more often. It is essential that you burp baby immediately after every feed.

      You will avoid eating all food that can cause any distress to baby. You must know that they are passed on to baby through your breast milk.

      It is best not to vaccinate Baby till s/he is over 2 years old as the after effects in some cases can add to the problems with GERD.
      Do not give the MMR Vaccine in One shot as there is plenty of evidence on the Web of severe side effects which can result. You are advised to give it in 3 separate shots if you must do so, after baby is 2 years old.

      Do not give Baby any solid food till s/he is over 8 months of age.

      You (the mother) will take Nat Phos 6x dose 2 tablets after each of 3 meals daily. The idea is that your milk will pass the effect to baby. You may like to know that Nat Phos 6x will help to reduce your weight by 1kg per week very safely.

      If you discover that baby does not respond to the Nat Phos 30x alone and this has occurred in a few cases, you will contact me again and I shall then prescribe another remedy to reinforce the action of Nat Phos 6x.

      You will stop all other drugs you may be giving baby if you start on my therapy.

      Do not give her the Nux Vomica 30 pellets as I do not recommend it any more. If baby does not respond to the NP6x you will report it to me for another remedy.

      • Krystal H. says:

        Thank you for your prompt response Dr. De Livera. I will proceed with your new prescribed therapy. Since I am not breastfeeding and she will not be receiving the Nat. Phos. 6x from that milk, does the dose I give her need to be modified/increased?

  8. Thanks for finally writing about > POTENTIZING ELEPHANT’S MILK (LAC LOXODONTA CEYLANICA) « Joe
    De Livera < Liked it!

    • Joe says:

      I am glad to note that you resurrected an old post of mine which dates back to 2008 when I was more active in helping others with my own version of Homeopathy which was lated dubbed “Joepathy” by classical homeopaths who obeyed the strict rules of Dr Hahnemann of “Treating the Symptoms of the disease with a Single remedy”.
      I too used to blindly follow these rules 45 years ago when I was first introduced to Homeopathy but I discovered that they invariably did not cure the patient. I am not a professional Homeopath as I am the CEO of a prominent Family owned business organization which is almost a Century old located in Colombo Sri Lanka and I first studied Homeopathy as a Hobby and was attracted to the cures which I later made with my Joepathy which are all safely in my Website as I am now almost 90 years in age and it is my wish that my own proving and discoveries are available to others in future years.

      You are my first contact in Vietnam which is a country I have not visited.
      I would like to know if Homeopathy is known in your country and if any remedies are available.

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